Inside Out 2 director talks childhood, teenage advisory group and Pixar's story secrets


William Mullally
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At a certain point in our lives, we all become different people. For director Kelsey Mann, that moment came at his 13th birthday party, and decades later, it became the heart of Inside Out 2.

“When you’re making a Pixar movie, you have to make sure that you’re telling a story that’s fun, imaginative and – above all else – truthful,” Mann tells The National. “And so that’s where I started. I had to go somewhere really emotional, so I went back to my old birthday photos.”

Mann had just been tasked by Pete Docter, the director of the original 2015 film and now head of Pixar Animation Studios, to come up with a worthy sequel to his modern classic, which takes audiences inside the brain of an 11-year-old girl named Riley.

But sequels are tricky business. How do you stop yourself from going over the same material? Mann realised they wouldn’t have to. Two years later, Riley would change completely, just as he did.

“I was scanning my photo albums and I noticed that when I was five years old, I had this huge smile on my face,” Mann explains. "It stopped me in my tracks because I was so happy. It was a day to celebrate me, and I was revelling in that.

“Then at 13, that smile just went away. In those photos, I’m just sitting there staring at the camera. Everyone’s singing Happy Birthday and I hated being sung to. I’m like, why did I feel like that? I hated that everyone was looking at me. I hated attention.

“I think it’s because of the new emotions that show up. Suddenly, you’re really self-conscious. You’re incredibly hard on yourself. This ‘not good enough’ voice shows up in your head. And that’s why I wanted to make this movie – to explore that emotion and how to deal with it."

The sequel adds new characters and new emotions including Embarrassment, voiced by Paul Walter Hauser; Anxiety, voiced by Maya Hawke; Envy, voiced by Ayo Edebiri; and Ennui, voiced by Adele Exarchopoulos. AP
The sequel adds new characters and new emotions including Embarrassment, voiced by Paul Walter Hauser; Anxiety, voiced by Maya Hawke; Envy, voiced by Ayo Edebiri; and Ennui, voiced by Adele Exarchopoulos. AP

Inside Out 2 picks up two years after the first, with Riley now 13. It is still guided by the anthropomorphised emotions from the control room in her mind. It’s the first day of her summer holiday and just as she’s set to leave with her best friends for hockey camp, she wakes up feeling like someone else.

Her body smells weird. Her mood has dropped. She’s worried about things that haven’t even happened yet. When she lashes out at her parents, they suddenly don’t recognise her – and she doesn’t recognise herself either.

Inside Riley’s mind, we see this play out literally. Suddenly, a group of new emotions join the fray – Anxiety, Ennui, Embarrassment and Envy – casting the old ones aside.

There’s a lot going on inside the mind of a 13-year-old girl. Too much, as it turns out, for a single movie to contain.

Pixar head Docter explains that early versions of the film had five more emotions they were forced to cut because they overwhelmed the narrative.

Docter says: “We went through a bunch of different characters that we tried out, including Guilt and Shame. We had to go through a lot of different things before arriving at just the right cocktail of ingredients so were able to tell this story.”

It takes years to make a Pixar movie, primarily because of their exacting standards, Mann explains. For every film, once a script is ready, the animators create the storyboard, draw it all up, cut it together and then gather the entire brain trust to watch the film from beginning to end.

“We do this over the course of many years. Usually, we do eight or nine versions, which means eight or nine screenings,” Mann explains.

Director Kelsey Mann relied on an advisory group of teenage girls he called Riley's Crew to consult on the film. AFP
Director Kelsey Mann relied on an advisory group of teenage girls he called Riley's Crew to consult on the film. AFP

At a certain point, however, Mann realised that the Pixar brain trust wasn’t enough. How could they make a film about teenage girls without the feedback of actual teenage girls?

“I’m not a teenager anymore,” says Mann. "It’s been a while since I’ve been one. So I thought that I would love to have a bunch of teenage experts.

“I went to the studio and said: ‘Can I have a group of teenage girls that can be my advisory group?’ So we created a group, and we called them Riley’s Crew. And those nine teenage girls would watch every single screening that we did so we could get their take on it. They helped us figure out where we did things right and where we got things wrong, and we made a lot of adjustments based on what they told us.”

Mann knew that he was capturing his own truth. But he knew that only Riley’s Crew could ensure he was capturing the truth of a new generation.

“One thing they really helped with was being truthful in dialogue. Not having it be too ‘cringy’ was something they were really helpful with.

“They’d hear certain phrasing, and they would respond: ‘Don’t say that. Nobody says that at all!’”

Inside Out 2 will be screening in cinemas across the Middle East from Thursday

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UAE currency: the story behind the money in your pockets
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THE BIO

Born: Mukalla, Yemen, 1979

Education: UAE University, Al Ain

Family: Married with two daughters: Asayel, 7, and Sara, 6

Favourite piece of music: Horse Dance by Naseer Shamma

Favourite book: Science and geology

Favourite place to travel to: Washington DC

Best advice you’ve ever been given: If you have a dream, you have to believe it, then you will see it.

The specs

AT4 Ultimate, as tested

Engine: 6.2-litre V8

Power: 420hp

Torque: 623Nm

Transmission: 10-speed automatic

Price: From Dh330,800 (Elevation: Dh236,400; AT4: Dh286,800; Denali: Dh345,800)

On sale: Now

Specs

Engine: 51.5kW electric motor

Range: 400km

Power: 134bhp

Torque: 175Nm

Price: From Dh98,800

Available: Now

Volvo ES90 Specs

Engine: Electric single motor (96kW), twin motor (106kW) and twin motor performance (106kW)

Power: 333hp, 449hp, 680hp

Torque: 480Nm, 670Nm, 870Nm

On sale: Later in 2025 or early 2026, depending on region

Price: Exact regional pricing TBA

Buy farm-fresh food

The UAE is stepping up its game when it comes to platforms for local farms to show off and sell their produce.

In Dubai, visit Emirati Farmers Souq at The Pointe every Saturday from 8am to 2pm, which has produce from Al Ammar Farm, Omar Al Katri Farm, Hikarivege Vegetables, Rashed Farms and Al Khaleej Honey Trading, among others. 

In Sharjah, the Aljada residential community will launch a new outdoor farmers’ market every Friday starting this weekend. Manbat will be held from 3pm to 8pm, and will host 30 farmers, local home-grown entrepreneurs and food stalls from the teams behind Badia Farms; Emirates Hydroponics Farms; Modern Organic Farm; Revolution Real; Astraea Farms; and Al Khaleej Food. 

In Abu Dhabi, order farm produce from Food Crowd, an online grocery platform that supplies fresh and organic ingredients directly from farms such as Emirates Bio Farm, TFC, Armela Farms and mother company Al Dahra. 

The National's picks

4.35pm: Tilal Al Khalediah
5.10pm: Continous
5.45pm: Raging Torrent
6.20pm: West Acre
7pm: Flood Zone
7.40pm: Straight No Chaser
8.15pm: Romantic Warrior
8.50pm: Calandogan
9.30pm: Forever Young

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Conflict, drought, famine

Estimates of the number of deaths caused by the famine range from 400,000 to 1 million, according to a document prepared for the UK House of Lords in 2024.
It has been claimed that the policies of the Ethiopian government, which took control after deposing Emperor Haile Selassie in a military-led revolution in 1974, contributed to the scale of the famine.
Dr Miriam Bradley, senior lecturer in humanitarian studies at the University of Manchester, has argued that, by the early 1980s, “several government policies combined to cause, rather than prevent, a famine which lasted from 1983 to 1985. Mengistu’s government imposed Stalinist-model agricultural policies involving forced collectivisation and villagisation [relocation of communities into planned villages].
The West became aware of the catastrophe through a series of BBC News reports by journalist Michael Buerk in October 1984 describing a “biblical famine” and containing graphic images of thousands of people, including children, facing starvation.

Band Aid

Bob Geldof, singer with the Irish rock group The Boomtown Rats, formed Band Aid in response to the horrific images shown in the news broadcasts.
With Midge Ure of the band Ultravox, he wrote the hit charity single Do They Know it’s Christmas in December 1984, featuring a string of high-profile musicians.
Following the single’s success, the idea to stage a rock concert evolved.
Live Aid was a series of simultaneous concerts that took place at Wembley Stadium in London, John F Kennedy Stadium in Philadelphia, the US, and at various other venues across the world.
The combined event was broadcast to an estimated worldwide audience of 1.5 billion.

Company profile

Name: Infinite8

Based: Dubai

Launch year: 2017

Number of employees: 90

Sector: Online gaming industry

Funding: $1.2m from a UAE angel investor

Benefits of first-time home buyers' scheme
  • Priority access to new homes from participating developers
  • Discounts on sales price of off-plan units
  • Flexible payment plans from developers
  • Mortgages with better interest rates, faster approval times and reduced fees
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Dubai Bling season three

Cast: Loujain Adada, Zeina Khoury, Farhana Bodi, Ebraheem Al Samadi, Mona Kattan, and couples Safa & Fahad Siddiqui and DJ Bliss & Danya Mohammed 

Rating: 1/5

The candidates

Dr Ayham Ammora, scientist and business executive

Ali Azeem, business leader

Tony Booth, professor of education

Lord Browne, former BP chief executive

Dr Mohamed El-Erian, economist

Professor Wyn Evans, astrophysicist

Dr Mark Mann, scientist

Gina MIller, anti-Brexit campaigner

Lord Smith, former Cabinet minister

Sandi Toksvig, broadcaster

 

The specs

Engine: 2.0-litre 4cyl turbo

Power: 261hp at 5,500rpm

Torque: 405Nm at 1,750-3,500rpm

Transmission: 9-speed auto

Fuel consumption: 6.9L/100km

On sale: Now

Price: From Dh117,059

UAE rugby in numbers

5 - Year sponsorship deal between Hesco and Jebel Ali Dragons

700 - Dubai Hurricanes had more than 700 playing members last season between their mini and youth, men's and women's teams

Dh600,000 - Dubai Exiles' budget for pitch and court hire next season, for their rugby, netball and cricket teams

Dh1.8m - Dubai Hurricanes' overall budget for next season

Dh2.8m - Dubai Exiles’ overall budget for next season

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The specs: Macan Turbo

Engine: Dual synchronous electric motors
Power: 639hp
Torque: 1,130Nm
Transmission: Single-speed automatic
Touring range: 591km
Price: From Dh412,500
On sale: Deliveries start in October

Real estate tokenisation project

Dubai launched the pilot phase of its real estate tokenisation project last month.

The initiative focuses on converting real estate assets into digital tokens recorded on blockchain technology and helps in streamlining the process of buying, selling and investing, the Dubai Land Department said.

Dubai’s real estate tokenisation market is projected to reach Dh60 billion ($16.33 billion) by 2033, representing 7 per cent of the emirate’s total property transactions, according to the DLD.

Tank warfare

Lt Gen Erik Petersen, deputy chief of programs, US Army, has argued it took a “three decade holiday” on modernising tanks. 

“There clearly remains a significant armoured heavy ground manoeuvre threat in this world and maintaining a world class armoured force is absolutely vital,” the general said in London last week.

“We are developing next generation capabilities to compete with and deter adversaries to prevent opportunism or miscalculation, and, if necessary, defeat any foe decisively.”

Updated: June 13, 2024, 4:31 AM`